Was talking about Mastodon with an old-school sysadmin guy. We reached the realization that defederating from instances with no/bad moderation is essentially the same thing as blocking open relays back when you ran your own email server: open relays always end up getting used for spam, you block 'em to protect your users.

Email was and still is the first federated social network, so it already faced a lot of the same problems; we should study its solutions (and its failures).

@nindokag Makes me wonder just how practical it is to have your own email server in these days of gmail and mailru. AFAIK it would get on spam/black lists pretty quickly and into white lists never, so good luck having your mail reach anyone.

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@artlav @nindokag I have run my on email server with great success for over a year with little to no problems. I use mailinabox.email

@robert @artlav @nindokag I've been running mailinabox for a few years with no issues. The only domain I sometimes have delivery issues to is Hotmail and only one person I know still uses a Hotmail address - my mother-in-law.

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